Oh I’m Still Here. I Was Out Picking Fights About Making Money Online

So Hi! Hey. Where’d I go? Well I was having internet problems for a few days. Normally I might take Saturday or Sunday off from the blog and this past week intended to write Sunday night after doing a full day of Entrecarding . Dropping those cards is a full blown once a month type event for me. Because I try to read and leave significant comments on the way. And…it’s a lot of work! So Sunday I did all that stuff and then by evening my internet was out. Lots of calling, complaining, fighting, testing equipment. You can look at any of my Comcast or ATT posts to see how I manhandle customer service people at this stage in my life. I’m as polite as I can be, but I also don’t want to be walked through somebody’s troubleshooting script if I KNOW what the problem is. When it’s on my end I know, and when it’s on their end I know. So Monday was a holiday so I was still out. Then that night this happened.

I really didn’t resize this image well enough for you to tell, but that is a substantially sized branch. Over to the left you can see the wire it brought down, so NOW my internet problems were really serious. And you can also see I decided to go Paul Bunyan instead of Discovery Channel Axeman. I just didn’t feel like chainsaw work; since this blogging thing I haven’t been getting enough sleep and things could get a little messy. One day for my home renovation section I’ll talk about the TWO trees I took down and uprooted so I could build a garage this summer.

Money Fight

Anyway while I was out blog surfing I was involved in some software debates and some money debates. I’m putting one the money debates up, because it relates to the next part of the series-which I WILL do right after I do a TV piece today. But I came across a blogger had written 2 back to back pieces on what does and does not make money. He even drew a pyramid shaped chart. Where Adsense and affiliate sales were at the bottom and sponsored reviews and selling EC credits were at the top. And trust me I do understand how this made sense to him. He’s not alone with these kinds of results, but e also repeatedly used the word “efficiency.” And talked about how much work one had to do to make money and the big thing was his approach. It was all; this is irrefutable fact. No evidence, no information about his experience. So I wrote this…


My name is Dave and….I’m not sure what you’re up to over here, I’m not a regular reader, but some Sunday’s I go out into the Entrecard world to see what’s happening. I see on the 23rd you did a pyramid and then did a follow up today. And I’m not sure if I you’re trying to make money or provide information to people about how to make money. I can’t imagine you’ve been at this very long. You’ve mentioned the word “efficient” a few times and I don’t know if you mean least amount of work or quickest. It’s irrelevant really, because I think your model is all wrong. Or rather, very wrong. No money is made by selling EC and to put it anywhere near Adsense indicates you might not know the whole story. Sponsored post of course is also a limited amount of money because you’ll get penalized by Google like you and have a PR0 or gray bar like yours. So you wont show up in Google search very easily.

I’m also not sure why you consider affiliate programs “tricky.” I have ebay and CJ sites and there’s not much tricking going on. I show people the stuff and they buy it. No mysteries involved. And they’re very efficient-an ebay site can be done in half an hour and make 10-100 or more a day. I do the same with Adsense-and make about a hundred a day. So good luck with your method, but I hope you’ll do a little more research for yourself and your readers.

So then he came to this blog, and emailed me, and said I should come read his response. I went over and read it. It was snippy-and, you know, I’m wasn’t surprised, hahaha. But he said he was glad I had come by with some new information. And he talked about his position was based on his experience of losing money I also didn’t understand how he lost “so much money” with affiliate programs, since normally you just slap up a banner and hope for the best. Even though I use it, most bloggers are too scared to use Pay Per Click advertising so I can’t imagine how he lost money. Even a lot of affiliate masters are wary of it. But when I looked at my stats I saw that he was from India, so maybe it was just affording the hosting that broke the bank for him. Or maybe somebody sold him a program. The Reverse Funnel System is one of those 50$ upfront programs and THEN I think you’re supposed to put in $3000 then they’ll tell you how you’re supposed to make money while online. So I don’t know what he did, but if he lost money with affiliate marketing that said to ME he probably didn’t do enough research. Anyway-this second response never made it to his blog…


Well I’m happy to know you appreciated my first comment cause you’re going to love this one. And I say that with a smile-so I’m not coming at you like an ass, just clarifying my outlook. And my position is that you present things in a way that leave a sort of mixed messages. You sent me an email saying you did some updates and I should come take a look but “it doesn’t matter.” That’s a weird thing to say. And right here you say you appreciate my input but that “it doesn’t matter” just devalues what you just said. Either my opinions have value or they don’t.

And it’s the same with these 2 blog post. You’ve made some titles and statements about income that sound like proclamation of fact. “Fire is hot.” Then I added my 2 cents and you clarified (in fact, my opinion is that your subjective outlook about all this should have been in the beginning) “fire is hot to ME.” You said you designed a pyramid that had the “best methods for making money using blogs” as if it was based on fact. What facts? You didn’t say “man I really lost a lot of money or got confused so I really didn’t do very well, so this is how I’m making money now.” And all I said was, you probably haven’t had enough experience yet to a) develop the skills to learn how to make money with those other methods and maybe you should b) research this issue enough to see some of the dozens and dozens of blogs where people generate lots of money with adsense, ebay and other affiliates programs.

And I stand by my position that selling EC credit makes “no money” that doesn’t mean “any money.” But 5 and 10 dollars seem like a very “inefficient” way to make money-considering all the effort of doing 300 drops a day. And it doesn’t matter if you’ve got 5 browsers with tabs going, Firefox gets swollen and needs to be restarted after all that. So that seems like a lot of time that could be better off building a BANS site that makes $50 a day.

I’m also glad you say you don’t want to “push your readers into thing” because that’s how I feel about sponsored post. I have no problem with recommending that strategy to people AS LONG AS they’re told about the PR trade off. Because once you make that trade off your traffic will only be so big and then it’ll reach a ceiling. And that is a fact.

(NAME REMOVED) we are ALL trying to figure this out. How to get a nice amount of money with a clear road to growing it. I was not doing well as recently as March, but I put my nose down and did some research. I want you to be successful too, and that’s why I took the time to write TWO giant responses so that you can maybe go take a second look at methods that work for people and have nothing “shady” or “tricky” about them at all. Clean, honest, smart work. And as you get better you can cut your time and have this efficiency that you’re looking for. And I did a quick write too, so I might have spelling issues too.

14 thoughts on “Oh I’m Still Here. I Was Out Picking Fights About Making Money Online

  1. Geez – I’ve been wondering where you were! LOL

    I just recently read someone’s tip about putting adsense under EC to catch those errant clicks…maybe I was at the same blog before you came along. I’ll have to go back to check…

    My hubby told me to go ahead and spend the money on BANS…so I guess I’m going to be doing that some time in the next few days.

  2. Hi Kathy
    Thanks for sticking with m, I probably lost some people with that 4 day gap. But ah well. The good news is the crazy winds seem to have stopped in the city.

    And I know you’re anxious to get going, but if you can, I hope you can hold off on the purchasing a few more days because I want you to see one more piece of software and let me clarify things just a little bit more.

    Like I said, Hyper is sort of the most…complex, so eBay sales are the most powerful kind of affiliate sales, I think, right now that a regular person can do without a lot of preparation. But I want you really think about SEO Elite first (again within the next few posts I’ll explain why) because lots of people get BANS but don’t get traffic and not make any $ and figure they got sucked into another dead end affiliate situation.

    I’ve got to be the first affiliate in the history of affiliate sales to tell somebody NOT to buy yet-but I’m on top of things and I WILL get all these pieces out before this week ends!

  3. Wow, there is a lot of good information embedded in that post too… I wish I had more time in a day to follow through with some of these things. Slow process for me.

    Glad you’re back.. Hey, welcome back Rosenthal. 🙂

  4. Ah see, I figured somebody would use that line. Thanks.

    And yeah when it comes to information I’m definitely “full of it.” 😉

  5. I think you were nice enough to the guy…though just about everybody hates hearing they are wrong .

    How in the world do you make money from entrecard? I would love to see this pyramid…

    You’re right about there being nothing tricky about cj and ebay…they are consistent earners for me even if they aren’t huge payouts yet…i am doing slightly better with google now, too – so i’m looking forward to more posts 🙂

  6. Aw it’s just flunky work. People sell EC credits on a few forums and ebay, like right now I’m seeing 10,000 credits about to close for $25.

    And when you think about the drops involved or the number of contest you’d have to win to get that many credits-that ‘s not a great way to make money. Now that’s me looking at it from an working American standpoint. If you’re not working in America or in a low income country that might be a way to go.

    And I’m glad it’s clear I wasn’t trying to be cruel but my feeling about seeing somebody shoot themselves in the foot and THEN start shooting other people in the foot is to just throw up a stop sign and at least TRY to get people to look at things differently.

  7. Hey there,

    I am very interested in these ebay sites as am on an affiliate marketing learning and adsense site building drive. I managed to make one low maintenance site that is earning me 40cents a day, so it’s a start 🙂

    Anyway, do you have any examples of your ebay sites so I can copy….. so scrub that, take some inspiration from them and see how it may fit in with my plans?

  8. Hi Forest
    I’m surprised Gary hasn’t been able to hook you up with enough ammo to beat 40 cents he’s a VERY skilled Adsense man. But in the next 12 hours I’m going to cover this, and I might just throw the ebay article in there too and just make it a super long piece.

    In the meantime, if you have time please read any of the money looking articles in the sidebar or the homepage, they’re all linked as a series now (except this one which is a detour).

  9. Ahh it’s a very new site, just showing wallpapers in blog posts. It is slowly building. But 40cents a day for having 22 images in a blog is pretty good, I think.

    I look forward to your post.

  10. Stirring the pot yet again, are we Dave?

    $100 a day on Adsense? I’m doing something wrong for sure. 😉

    So much learning to do.

  11. Hi Grandy!
    If you have time I hope you’ll read the little $ series I put together. I feel like people don’t want it because I’m not charging anything for it.

    But 100$ a day isn’t hard to do, its just hard to figure out HOW to do.

  12. Dave, if you weren’t so right on the mark with your opinions, you wouldn’t be so dangerous. No one would care. But they do. Like our EC Credits mate. He got busted and he knew it.

    So many people spinnig crap about how to make money….it’s so lol…..they’re making it easy for you man…..the more they talk the more you make sense.

    Googleme Grubes

  13. Hi Grubes!
    First I want to say thanks for coming back. You left a very kind comment last time and I actually COULDN’T respond. I was locked out of my own blog for a while by hackers-I’ll write about it soon enough.

    But yeah, this post was written after my first “vacation” of about 2 weeks, I’m now on my second “vacation” but I’ll probably come back this month!

    And by the way this little fight is nothing compared to a battle about making money I got involved with while on this prolonged break-that guy is actually selling a “system” that’s so…I don’t have a word for it, but I’ll probably write a piece about that too when I come back.

    But again thanks very much for visiting and commenting Grubes

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